>US soldiers voluntarily chose the profession of hired killers... Really?
In the eyes of the law yes. They are all guilty of a capital (hanging) offense, namely aiding and abetting an aggressive (first strike) war, not to mention torturing and killing civilians and using banned weapons. Even if you just peel potatoes, or hook up the gas in an extermination oven, you are still guilty.
People who build nuclear submarines are just an necessary as anyone else in mass extermination. That is why they too are considered guilty. Just because they kill without getting blood on their hands does not exculpate them. Hitler did not personally kill anyone, neither did Goebbels.
The humanitarian efforts are purely for the cameras. The expenditure is less than 1% of the budget.
I talked with Iraqi and Afghan nationals, something you most certainly have not done. You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Otherwise how you possibly imagine a people would enjoy being invaded. You probably imagine they would enjoy dining on your American shit too. You Americans are so preposterously conceited.
>Yes war is bad. Yes war kills people.
Then don't do it. America was not attacked. There are only the basest motives for the war, stealing oil, stealing lithium and a free pipeline right of way.
Twits like you might imagine they are "serving their country", but when the get the combat zone they soon learn America is the aggressor and neither Iraq or Afghanistan has or ever had any means to attack the USA. Yet they re-enlist. Why? Because they like raping, killing and torturing.
>But those men and women who serve my country are not "hired killers".
They kill and they are paid to kill. That makes them hired killers. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it.
Americans are in many ways more brutal than Nazis. History will treat them the way we treat such barbaric societies as the Romans and the Mongol hordes. You guys, and I mean your whole country, love endless war.
JayDontPlay said: >If Canadians can tell Americans what to do, why aren't Americans allowed to do the same back?
I don't recall anyone telling you to be quiet. I even provided this forum for you to do so. Look at the other posts. Most of them are from people I violently disagree with. I don't censor them.
>your photos of "American soldiers shooting surrendering Iraqi civilians" display those same Americans wearing uniforms from the Gulf War and Operation Desert Storm. Are you sure those pictures aren't from 1991?
No I am not sure. However the Gulf War never stopped. The sanction bombings between the Gulf War and Iraq war killed 1 to 2 million Iraqis. It is all one long war to gain control of Iraq's oil.
>Sir please say something about Obama too if you are going to put all this crap about the old-news boy king.
I suspect Obama is a fraud. He campaigned to end the Iraq war, then surged in Afghanistan and dragged Iraq on and on. I am not sure if he is doing this under Republican duress, or because he is a hawk.
What I am doing is like trying to talk Germans to denounce the Nazis in the middle of WW II. American have now lost soldiers, so now feel justified in any atrocity. The window has passed where Americans can be persuaded to give up the dark side. The basics have not changed namely these are both illegal first strike wars and Americans are committing atrocities. The wars cannot be justified on the grounds of self defence. They are being fought for oil and lithium.
Thank you for your responses, I am not trying to engage in a hateful argument but a real debate upon our beliefs and how we view the world. I appreciate your thoughts, ideas and opinions. To clarify, I am not an "American twit", I know that war is wrong, and I know our attacks upon Afghanistan and Iraq were pre-emptive strikes, they were as you called "invasions" yes indeed. I know Americans have attacked innocent people (as have many other countries) and I am just saying it is justfied. I think it is wrong. I know that some American soldiers wish to kill and enjoy killing, but I think this is wrong when they do that. You act like I am blind to the bad things my country has done, but I am not blind. Many many people see what is going on here, many people are opening their eyes. You can see what your country is doing wrong and still be patriotic. That is what people don't understand, they think patriots are those who just go along with the government and agree with it. I however consider patriots to be those who question and sometimes even go against what the majority thinks. I believe patriots are those who are AGAINST the war, but still support those brave enough to be placed within combat. I never voted to go to war. I never wanted us to goto war. I know it is wrong. I know all this, and I disagree with us going to war. With that said, what about the rest of the people and the rest of the world? The soldiers are just following orders, just as the Canadian heroes who serve your country as well. They might be puppets in the larger scheme of things, but I guarantee at least 95% of those people who want to serve in the military (United States AND Canada alike, along with probably most other countries similar to ours - England, Australia, NZ...) do not wish to kill innocent civilians, they do not join up hoping to bomb families and schools, they do not join the military with the wishes and hopes to kill people, and that is their main desire. No, this is not true, they do not join up just to kill people. Yes maybe some do, but it is a small number -+5%, the vast majority of our armed forces wants to honestly serve their country. Just like police, there are corrupt police, so would you say all police are evil killers? Police shoot innocent people here all the time in the US, but they are classified as "accidents" but when a citizen shoots in defense it is "murder". It works both ways, we have a war in our OWN country that I wish we were fighting for, and not in another place like Iraq... I am not an American twit, I know what is going on, and I do not support murder and senseless killing... but there is a difference between murdering and killing I'd like to think. Either way I do not support the war, and agree with some of your ideas. All I was trying to say is look at the rest of the world, your country along with many others have aided our country in waging war in the Middle East. It is a bigger scheme, a bigger plot, that I say you cannot blame the foot soldiers at the end of the scheme. You keep comparing them to Nazis, who do you blame more, the Nazi soldiers, or the high up dictator and his regime that gave the orders to them for what they were to do? Blame Hitler for his large hand in the Nazis, only problem is for America is we don't have a huge image of a dictator, the president, along with most government are all puppets. So who is the man behind the curtain, controlling things? It is bigger than you think my friend...
Your picture of a US soldier is very much inaccurate considering the only authorized individual weapons are an M16 M4 and M9. Your arguments are invalid and hold no truth but good choice of scare tactics a person ignorant to the military may believe you.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
I've fought in both wars and everything that Roedy said was wrong. He isn't a very smart person so I don't have much to say to him. He is a typical, "ride the wave and be part of the group" liberal. He just wants attention and shame on us for giving it to him. Roedy, keep up your hippy ways...someone has to help you keep your freedom! :)
>I've fought in both wars and everything that Roedy said was wrong.
That makes you a WAR CRIMINAL, not an expert of the politics of the war. What you are doing is like claiming you are much more of an expert on child molesting than I am because you participated in two pedophile rings. You are so badly twisted your opinion on longer counts. You are guilty of capital crimes. You don't even acknowledge basic fact. You are delusional. You don't want to be a criminal, so you pretend you are not. You are flipping nuts.
Out of all this, the one thing I don't understand is, why even have the war in the first place? Killikng eachother does not solve anything at all, it just makes both countries want more war. All these people die every day, and all the Americans can do is talk about how proud they are about their military and how many terrorists are now dead. Really? Why not try realising that terrorists are people too; they are terrorists BECAUSE of America, BECAUSE of American people. So why not try actually thinking about all the Iraqi/Afghani people that die, just because they are defending themselves. I also HATE it when Americans say that they are the ones defending themselves: how are you idiot's defending yourselves? You drive right iinto a small village with your f**king tanks and then you're suprised that the Iraqi/Afghani people attack you? They don't even understand that you might simply be 'ruturning fire', they see you as assholes which come to kill them on sight. That's all I have to say for now. *I published this comment as Anonymus because I don't random people to know my name.
There are basically two groups of people who want wars:
1. people who enjoy killing, raping, torturing and bullying. They want to do this with little chance of legal reprisals or getting killed They want an enemy barely armed compared with them. Shooting fish in a barrel is an apt metaphor.
2. people who make money off war. These include arms dealers, mercenaries and politicians on the take from the "defence" industry.
These motives don't sell well with the general public, so the pro war folk lie, and pretend they are interested in self defence. Oddly the public buys this even when the USA attacks unarmed nations, illegally, aggressively, first strike, even when that nation has never harmed and has no means to harm the USA.
There is a third group of lesser importance, Israel. They want the USA to keep all Arab nations and the Palestinians under their thumb so they can perpetuate the apartheid system in Israel and continue to push the Palestinians off their land.
The USA did not support apartheid in South Africa, so why are they propping it up in Israel? Because AIPAC the pro-Israel lobby is so powerful.
This is in response to anonymous's post accidentally placed in tho 2010 section.
>Wesboro Baptist Church
You can read what I think of that lunatic Fred Phelps and the Wesboro baptist church at http://mindprod.com/ggloss/fredphelps.html
>Were you even in the military?...
Of course not. Canada has not been attacked any time in my lifetime. Anyone who participated in the Afghan war is a war criminal guilty of a capital crime. I don't have to commit a capital crime to understand why it is wrong.
>But I feel sorry for you...I want to know what happen to you in your life to hate a country that isn't even your dam country!....
I presume you have no trouble understanding why people think poorly of Nazi Germany. Your country in many ways is behaving worse. The Nazis did not routinely torture POWs. The Nazis did not use chemical weapons.
>And honestly how dare you post pictures of Americians in uniform and say crap about them!...
But they are CONFESSED war criminals. They openly admitted to commiting a capital crime. Why should they be treated with respect? They are morally equivalent to those waiting on death row. see http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarcriminals.html for details.
>If there was a way I could meet you in person and treat you like nazis treated jews I would...and be GLAD to be commiting a war crime asshole...
I did not harm you or your country in away way. I just asked your country to stop behaving like Nazis.
>I love my country and stand by my mean and women in uniform...doesn't mean I stand by my goverment but my people...something you don't understand!
The Nazis loved their country too, but it does not make what they did acceptable.
You harming me by saying crap about my men and women in my country....here that MY men and women...they work not for our goverment but for the people just like out goverment works for out people....you wouldn't know what its like to defend people because you have never worn a uniform!
I see you didn't bother to post the fact they have nightmares because of what they did to defend themselves!...DEFEND...not murder
Have we as a country done things wrong? Yes of course we have...EVERY COUNTRY HAS!...even yours!....Germany everyone!...nothing nor no one is pefect!
In the military you follow your dam orders rather you believe in them or not...you don't follow orders someone gets killed!...that's how it goes!...
Don't blame our military for what happens! Blame our goverment but not our people! That was Bush and our Vice at the time that approved it...NOT the military they just follow orders! NOT our people because most of us don't know what's going on and its a sticking siturtion!....
>You harming me by saying crap about my men and women.
If a thug were beating up a old woman trying to steal her purse and I said "Cut that out. You could go to prison for that." I am not hurting the thug. I am looking out for his best interest. If I am not hurting even him, surely I am not hurting you.
Are you denying that a first strike attack is a capital war crime? Are you denying that the USA attacked both Afghanistan and Iraq first. Are you denying the PBS Frontline documentary that showed the USA routinely torturing all prisoners with water deprivation and extreme heat? Are you denying the photos of the Abu Ghraib torture. Are you denying Dick Cheney's confession of waterboarding torture?
>you wouldn't know what its like to defend people because you have never worn a uniform!
There is no defence of America going on. The USA attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, not the reverse. The US wants their natural resources. Don't you recall the opening day of the war when CNN broadcast the USA bombing the apartment buildings in Baghdad? In all these years of war neither Afghanistan nor Iraq has made even a single attack on the US. The US in turn has killed millions of Afghans and Iraqis. Defence my ass! Are you abysmally ignorant, a stupid FOX News dittohead or a liar? Maybe you are too young to remember the start of the wars.
>I see you didn't bother to post the fact they have nightmares because of what they did to defend themselves!...DEFEND...not murder
When you invade someone else's country and they try to oust you, you are the aggressor. You are not defending yourself. If a burglar invades your home you have every right to shoot him. If he shoots you, he can't claim self defence.
>Have we as a country done things wrong?
If someone killed your mother or your son would you excuse them on the grounds that nobody's perfect? Don't be idiotic.
>In the military you follow your dam orders rather you believe in them or not...you don't follow orders someone gets killed!.
"I vas chust followin ze orders". You would make a good Nazi. That's how they excused their atrocities.
>Don't blame our military for what happens! Blame our goverment but not our people!
There is no draft. Everyone who participates in the occupation of Afghanistan or Iraq commits a capital war crime willingly with open eyes. We expected German citizens to oppose Hitler. I expect you to demonstrate against war crimes your country is committing. In the Vietnam era, people did. Today they don't. Americans want cheap oil, even it means killing other people's kids. You live in a degenerate nation similar to imperial Rome.
For those who keep telling Roedy how would he know about what goes on in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, need to take a second and open their eyes. Everything he said was true. Want proof? GO to Iraq and Afghanistan and see for yourself. To make one point clear, yes there are soldiers who are truly good people but as long as they took a part no matter how small in wars like these they are considered guilty too. Its like seeing a murder happen and not doing anything about it, yes you may have not done the murder yourself but you watched it happen and did nothing and to me that's even worse than the actual person who does the killing. And that's how I view the soldiers in Iraq, some were evil and abused their privileges yet some may have not done the actual killing but they kept silent and held to the idea that "its my duty to stand by my country right or wrong." I believe some people can't except the idea that their father, mother , brother, etc took place in an illegal and immoral war and are in denial to what may be the truth about them. Americans or anyone CAN'T have this view. As Malcolm X would say:Wrong is wrong no matter WHO does it or WHO says it. I am not Anti-American but I'm Anti-evil and I could give a damn if that evil came from a person in my own family.
I am not going to put this all on America, let me say the whole world,: The problem with the whole world is they all have a sense of patriotism, meaning as long as my country gets what it wants and its safe, screw the rest of the world. THAT IS WRONG. I care just as much about anyone no matter what race or religion. Why does America get the most blame even though many other countries are guilty of this too? Because America is the most powerful and has been for years now and instead of using their power to unite the world together and help others in need they use it to seize other lands to make them EVEN more powerful. Greed is perpetual enslavement. You will always want more. Don’t be ignorant and naïve by saying our soldiers defend themselves and went to protect our freedom. America is already powerful and free so what the HELL were they defending themselves from? Iraq is a dot compared to size in America and to tell me they are a threat, you must be naïve. Roedy made a good point saying Americans never ask themselves why do terrorists hate America so much, what leads them to wanting to blow themselves up just to kill them? I will tell you. America since the beginning when Columbus found it held the idea of “Manifest Destiny” meaning they have a commission from god to police the world. Well NO country has that right so stay out of others business! You can’t just enter a country just because on your mere suspicion he wants to attack you. I believe if any country was in the same place as America they would be just as selfish, so I won’t put this only on America. The world needs to learn that love for each other doesn’t end at the border, yes it is true if that the Iraq and Afghanistan war has helped America vastly is improving its economic status, they got free oil and other materials. BUT can we live with ourselves knowing that to get our wants we had to sacrifice others to get it. I am disgusted at how we Americans celebrate Columbus day. SO WHAT IF HE FOUND AND GAVE US AMERICA! He killed and tortured millions of Indians to get it and that’s proof right there that America truly believes that if it gets us our wants then the others are mere “sacrifices” and they have the integrity to tell me that we had no choice, we need to do this for our people by any means necessary. Bull****. I would rather have my country be poor than to know I had oppress or even kill others to get it. Columbus is a criminal and if you say he did it for our country than you are defying yourself when you say I can do wrong as long as it benefits me. In other words it’s called SELFISH. If that’s true that means all those thieves out there must have been wrongly accused because they stole to benefit themselves and I guess that’s right since we make it right for Columbus. And America stole this land and inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Israel stole land and inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Ever damn ruler in times stole or inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Its not just America who did this but many other countries are guilty of this. And again nor every American or any race who’s imprudent government and military did this is guilty. Part 1
Part 2 :: My simple message to you:: We need to learn to love everyone and treat them equally. LOVE FOR OTHERS WHAT YOU LOVE FOR YOURSLEF. WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT DONE TO YOURSELF, DO NOT DO TO OTHERS. “The world cannot continue to wage war like physical giants and to seek peace like intellectual pygmies” I took this verse from a song and I think if WE the world did this, we would have a better place “If everyone cared and nobody cried, If everyone loved and nobody lied, If everyone shared and swallowed their pride, Then we’d see the day when nobody died.” In the song they says IF EVERYONE CARED, not If AMERICA CARED. And the day we start doing all this, no one would die; there will be no more wars. Roedy you inspire me that no matter who you are, you deserve the same rights as everyone else. I think it’s amazing how you would go against your own nation even though to others that’s considered being a traitor, and stand up for the truth no matter WHO it came from. If you can live with yourself that as long as it benefits my country, then others, aren’t important than by all means go ahead. We all want to do good for our country but just remember the others’ lives you made miserable to get your wants are held on your conscious. The world would be a better place if there are more people like Roedy who stand up for everyone and not just their “country”. Earth exists with NO visible borders on ANY land meaning the world exists as one. Which means we should stand together as one. This is why I have no respect for Patriots of Iraq or any patriot of any country ; they did it for America’s needs and not Iraq’s. Iraq is scarred for life because of this. There is no sense of “everyone” with patriots, only a sense of “my country.” And if we keep holding this belief there will never be world peace.
Where would our country be if we didn't have a military? We NEED the military to defend our country. Yeah it would be nice if we had world peace and if countries could get along with each other, but unfortunately, that's not the case. I'd much rather stand up for our country and defend ourselves, than to have a bunch of idiots come and go as they please with nobody to defend us. So for you to say these ignorant comments acting like you know what it's like to be in the military, or to be MARRIED to someone in the military, you are mistaken. My fiance happens to be a Marine, and I'll be damned if anyone talks like you do about him or anyone who is defending our country. I am damn proud to call myself an American. You may have facts about PTSD and things like that. That is a horrible sacrifice to have to make to defend our country. Not to mention all of our men and women who make the ultimate sacrifice and give their life. For what? Because they VOLUNTEERED to serve our country. Yes volunteered. They're proud American's and know that someone needs to protect our country. Do not lump all men in the service into the same category by saying some of your other ignorant comments. Get your head out of your ass and stop judging on things you don't know the first thing about.
Ok.... FIRST of all.... I spent 5 years of my life as a military wife, and endured 2 long deployments with my husband in both afghanistan and iraq.Do YOU know what US forces are and have been doing over there lately??? TRAINING THEIR MILITARY!!! GIVING THEM SUPPLIES!!!! BASICALLY BABYSITTING THEM!!! My husband has spent 3 years overseas and has NEVER killed anyone. He is a medic. He has actually SAVED quite a few towelheads who where attacked by their OWN PEOPLE. Until youve experienced it.... you have NO right to say anything about our military. My kids and I are proud of our military hero.
I just read your thoughts on why people should not marry a soldier. I am a soldiers wife and every single one of your reasons has angered me to the core. You obviously have no clue what this war is about and i am ashamed that your an american. Let me remind you your freedom of speech was given to you because a soldier laid down their life so that you didn't have to live in a country in silence or to be killed because you speak out with stupidity. Yes do some soldiers go rogue yes but very few and do they have ptsd yes some of them do because they watch their brothers and sisters and best friends get blown up by terrorists. They see how children and families in iraq and afganistan have been blown up or tortured by terrorists and still are. My suggestion to you is if you can't stand behind our men and women then please feel free to take their place and stand in front.
Just did some more research on you so glad your not an American. YOu have no right to say anything about our soldiers or any for that matter and you obviously have no idea what our men and women are doing over there. Get your facts straight before you start writing disgusting things based off no facts and keep your head up your canadian ass.
BLESS YOUR HEART YOU NEED JESUS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS EARTH YOUR GUNNA NEED ALL THE HELP YOU CAN GET.
SIGNED, A VERY PROUD MARINE CORPS WIFE, A FORMER SOLDIER IN THE U.S. ARMY, THE DAUGHTER OF A MARINE AND A U.S. ARMY SOLDIER, AND THE GRAND-DAUGHTER OF A U.S. AIR FORCE SOLDIER... I LOVE MY COUNTRY..
I can see that your mind is already set on what is right and wrong. I served overseas twice. I am a female and a medic. I seen many casualties in the year that I spent in Iraq. Occasionally they were US Soldiers, but more often they were locals injured by their own people. Many of the people I treated were children injured by their own families. I treated Iraqi soldiers who were severely injured from IEDs set up by their own people. My unit did not kill a single Iraqi citizen.
Another point that I must make is that soldiers are fully capable of standing up to the command if they are faced with an immoral choice. If a soldier is commanded to take an action that is immoral, then he/she should contact someone higher in command to stop the action. I have stood up to my command, and I was not reprimanded.
I married a soldier that I deployed with. He is the kindest man I know. It is not an act. He has never harmed me in any way. I am very passive and I have a worse temper than him.
Soldiers are not the only people who suffer from PTSD. Anyone who has witnessed a traumatic event can be classified as suffering from PTSD. A woman who was raped can suffer from PTSD. Flashbacks, nightmares, and increased anxiety are signs of PTSD. Rape victims often suffer from all of these symptoms.
"I talked with Iraqi and Afghan nationals, something you most certainly have not done. You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it."
I thought the ground rules were not to attack anyone? Those don't apply to you? Apparently hypocrisy doesn't belong to the Americans.
"You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it."
I thought the ground rules were no personal attacks? That we were to keep it on politics? Apparently, hypocrisy doesn't belong to the Americans.
You are one sick and twisted asshole to post anything like this on the internet when our own people are dieing over there! If you think you can do the job better by all means PLEASE step in front of my husband on the front line so my husband comes home to me and my kids. You should be ashamed of your self they didnt start this war the president did so if you wanna be pissed at anyone for starting it be mad at him! These men and women are doing there jobs, you know the job that all of you assholes complain about cause you would never have the balls to do such a heroic job to keep your family and fellow Americans safe. You say my husband is not a good man because he has seen tramatic situations what about me and other women that have been rapped or abused in there life by others do you not think we have issues because of situations in life but guess what we suck it up and deal with it just like most americans! Americans that kill themselves can be your normal office worker that was depressed about a girlfriend or had a drug problem. Dont dare to put soldiers in that catagory we all have issues we all deal with in differently. Do yourself a favor and get some mental help cause you need it more then anyone else. Why dont you go over to Iraq maybe we will all get lucky and you will drive over an IED! I hope God forgives your gonna need it!
I'm not surprised that someone like you mentioned Israel. I guess they seem to be a favorite target of the extreme left like yourself. I wonder if you still feel like that now that the Arabs are looking for freedom from repressive regimes. These countries include Libya and Syria. Countries that the US and Israel don't support. You talk about apartheid? What about the apartheid in the arab countries? Where is the homeland for the Kurds? What about the Druze refugees from Lebanon. Come on Roedy, why just pick on Israel?
I have been in the military for 21 years happily fighting for the freedoms we all have today and following in the footsteps of the many brave men and women before me. What have your sorry ass, draft dodging, no military knowledge SOB's done for this country besides being a waste of the oxygen that we breath. My comment will probably be removed from this page because you mindless individuals can't handle someone standing up to you and telling you that your views are totally incorrect and crap. I totally understand opinions and freedom of speech, but get a life or better yet join the military yourselves and see what REALLY goes on instead of believing your ignorant assumptions. Some of you people are probably the percentage of individuals that tried to join the military and are disgruntled you couldn't join because your are too stupid, uneducated, fat, or have a criminal background that you couldn't be trusted to clean anything but a toilet anyway, hell you would probably mess that up. As a past writer mentioned, if you don't like what is going on in this country and have a problem defending from the enemies, pack your bags and get the hell out because your tax dollars are funding the wars and Soldier's benefits. Bottom line up front, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!
wow. so horribly true. I hope you have room for the additional truth that it's actually not necessarily sick for a human to feel like killing. It's probably closer to normal since so many participate. I've explored my own anger (in my mind, not for real) and my desire to kill. I want to be a kinder person tho, so it doesn't fit my value system. I'm saying I think you have it correct up until you act as tho ethics are a given. I think they're made up. Possibly inspired but the trend says we're evolving so..... I found this site cause I was wondering how to puncture the myth of soldier as hero and googled for ideas. You know, I'd like to be a hero. I suspect it's difficult. Certainly far more difficult than allowing someone else to use me at will for their material gain.
I am just in the process of doing some research on Lowell Green's rant on why Canada should come to the aid of Israel should Iran get a nuke and threaten to use it on Israel. Of course he doesn't mention the fact that Jewish extremists are mistreating Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza strip and have been for almost 50 years. Nor does he mention that Israel has one of the largest deliverable nuclear nuclear arsenals on the planet.
I understand that you disagree with much of what is going on in the world. I whole heartedly agree that our world has become perverse and torn and some sort of change needs to happen. I preemptively apologize for any offense you take in anything that I say. Allow me to start by telling you my background as I believe it to be imperative to your understanding of my opinion. I grew up in a catholic family, I went to bible study all the way through high school as a choice of my own. I volunteered at soup kitchens and shelters not because anyone preached to me that it was a good thing to do but because I believe in helping people who have the ambition but lack the means to help themselves. I attended a private university where I studied International Business and Finance and continued to volunteer where I could. I joined and later became president of the Model United Nations Club because I am an advocate in solving problems through negotiation over force. It honestly pains me to see people feel that they have no other choice but to pick up a weapon and kill another human being. Life, which is so hard to create yet so easy to take away, should never be taken for granted. Sir, I have spoken with many people from both Afghanistan and Iraq who were repressed by tyrants and fanatics who hid behind the name of religion. I will not say that all of them were happy with the WORLD's invasion (in case you were not aware America was not the only country present in both of these theaters) of their country but they welcomed change and the opportunity at freedom. I believe this to be helping people who cannot help themselves. I will not be arrogant and say that your view of the world is misguided or wrong as I do not know the factors behind your reasoning. I will say this, if you ever get the opportunity to see what happens under tyrannical governments and how people are affected, you would not be so willingly dismissing the invasion of these countries. I one day hope that instead of chastising people for their differences that we learn to accept and embrace them and understand the value in what life has given us. While war is a horrible and devastating option for liberation for all who are involved in it, it does sometimes effect great and needed change. I do not wish nor ask nor embrace war but I understand that it will happen because it is our nature as evolving humans to disregard and crucify that which we don't understand. I have faith that human's as a race are progressing in the right direction and will someday find another way.....
. I know without a doubt in my mind that many "soldiers" are good people with the best of intentions and would save anyone if given the choice. I understand your pessimistic attitude towards soldiers for it is their unfortunate job to sometimes use force to accomplish their mission and they are trained well to discern between the right and wrong time. I know of many instances where soldiers die because they hesitated to fire for the simple reason that they did not want to harm civilians. In the military they try their best to teach these fine young men and women to value life before dealing death. No matter what profession you are in, there will be bad people, it is as unavoidable as it is unfortunate but that is simply no reason to categorize the whole on the few. I do not ask you to change your opinion sir for while I do not agree with you I respect your opinion and understand that everyone has that right. I have read your responses and they are both condescending and offensive and if you truly have the noble and benevolent intentions in which you claim, you would respect people and life equally. It seems more and more that your heart is filled with malcontent for life. I hope you find your peace in life and pray that you will one day come to realize that soldiers are not evil and do not enjoy killing as you claim. They are the best of us for doing what was asked of them and they carry a burden of which I would never wish on anyone. If you understand psychology then you would see that that psychotic killers do not have trouble coping with what they have done, rather, they embrace it and welcome the next opportunity. PTSD is a result of the soldier’s inability to cope with things that he or she has had to do. The women who love these men are equally brave for they understand that some of these men have had to endure and must cope with travesties of which they would never feel proud of committing. Do not mistake this for shame in who they are or what they stand for. You have misconstrued the regret of killing for the regret of why they killed. A soldier when he pulls that trigger does so in the belief that he will be saving someone with his action. I implore you to talk to these men and women who fight for freedom and defense of the innocent. I believe you will find a different character of man than you portray. Good luck to you sir and may God have mercy on you.
All this fucking Americans can talk nicely about "defending freedom" and how brave are men in the military and wives of military men, and how "the soldiers give you the freedom you have" And all that indoctrination b.s. they have ingested since they were kids, but the truth is that U.S. raped Iraq and Afghanistan. GET OUT OF IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. STOP YOUR CRIMINAL WAR YOU ASS HOLES!!!!! STOP INVOKING GOD YOU BIGOTS! LET OTHER COUNTRIES ENJOY THEIR OWN RESOURCES AND STOP BUYING GOVERNMENTS You will pay the price for your interventions... Do not believe me? Look at your own nation... is invaded by foreigners, thanks to your own policies.
You keep calling us war criminals..... Like your queer little blog is going to stop America?! You have the freedom of speech and I respect that fact that you use it to the fullest extent but honestly there is not a damn thing you can do about it. You spoke of WWII where Canada join on its own free will. You speak of America like we are the only military over there.... I fought along side many Canadians during both my tours in iraq. And they are just as battle fueled as any American I've seen. You talk about killing Iraqi kids. I have never done this but i have seen it. The child was also pointing a pistol at us. I've been to afghanistan as well. You wouldn't believe how many people there told me thank you for being there. Having said this, when I see what you have wrote on your little blog in your moms basement, I smile. You want us American soldiers to face the law? We are the law. And you don't have the balls to do anything but blog.
But you are a war criminal. It is not my opinion, It is international law which you appear to know nothing about. Why do you think Cheney and Bush are afraid to go to Switzerland?
Why are you so proud of committing the same crimes as the Nazi? That is a mental illness.
I'm proud because I have served my country I understand you don't feel the same way but that's your choice I have every right to be in the military and you have every right to disagree. However, you do NOT have the right to say someone has a mental illness you are not a doctor nor have any medical experience. A few killed civilians is a part of war. The nazis tried to eliminate an entire race if you went over there and asked the people of Iraq and afghanistan you would hear more tell you that they are happy we are over there. As for the "innocent" people we are killing, they are shooting at us and trying to kill us. Don't tell me they aren't because you have no clue what its like over there. Soldiers are defending their lives. Remember we didn't start the war we were told to do our job and we did. And how do you feel about Canadian soldiers in the middle east? Are they war criminals as well? Because it seems to me that you are only insulting the American troops.
You did not serve your country any more that Nazis served Germany, so you have no grounds for your pride. Nobody attacked the USA. You did not defend the USA. You have some cheek to equate your war crimes and sex-thrill killing with what those who defended the USA did in WW II.
Further you harmed the USA. Prior to those wars billions of people admired the USA. Now they pray for its destruction.
You are like a bank robber shooting up the bank and claiming self defence. You had absolutely no business in Afghanistan. You went there so you could slake your sadism.
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME TO WAGE AGGRESSIVE WAR (namely a war where you invade first.). This is not my opinion. This is international law. Go read. Why do you think Bush and Cheney are so afraid to go to Europe? Even the USA is signatory to a treaty defining this war crime and agrees to arrest war crime suspects. Typically, the USA ignores its treaty obligations. It even declared the Geneva conventions "quaint". It is astounding you could feel pround to belong to such a degenerate nation that behaved in war even worse than the Nazis.
EVERYONE in the US military who aided or abetted the Afghan or Iraq war has committed a CAPITAL crime. They should be shot, hanged or at least put in solitary for life. It would be crazy to express respect for such hardened criminals. I spit on them, just as I spit on other child rapists and child killers.
Canadian soldiers who participated Afghanistan too are war criminals. They too deserve the death penalty. I got dozen of death threats when I simply pointed out the law.
You did not serve your country any more that Nazis served Germany, so you have no grounds for your pride. Nobody attacked the USA. You did not defend the USA. You have some cheek to equate your war crimes and sex-thrill killing with what those who defended the USA did in WW II.
Further you harmed the USA. Prior to those wars billions of people admired the USA. Now they pray for its destruction.
You are like a bank robber shooting up the bank and claiming self defence. You had absolutely no business in Afghanistan. You went there so you could slake your sadism.
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME TO WAGE AGGRESSIVE WAR (namely a war where you invade first.). This is not my opinion. This is international law. Go read. Why do you think Bush and Cheney are so afraid to go to Europe? Even the USA is signatory to a treaty defining this war crime and agrees to arrest war crime suspects. Typically, the USA ignores its treaty obligations. It even declared the Geneva conventions "quaint". It is astounding you could feel pround to belong to such a degenerate nation that behaved in war even worse than the Nazis.
EVERYONE in the US military who aided or abetted the Afghan or Iraq war has committed a CAPITAL crime. They should be shot, hanged or at least put in solitary for life. It would be crazy to express respect for such hardened criminals. I spit on them, just as I spit on other child rapists and child killers.
Canadian soldiers who participated Afghanistan too are war criminals. They too deserve the death penalty. I got dozen of death threats when I simply pointed out the law.
I agree with you that Afghanistan did not attack the US. That's why we are not at war with them. We are at war with the taliban who DID attack the US. I've heard all the conspiracy theories and don't believe any of them due to the fact that Bin Laden took responsibility for the attacks and how the taliban fights. And thank you for clearing up the Canadian soldier question. I do appreciate that you are not a hypocrite and like I said before you are entitled to your own opinion, same as me. I personally do not like war. I don't like killing people even after they attempted to kill me in most cases. I thought many times about how I kit killed a father, son, and brother and it bothered me very much. When I signed up believe it or not I didn't think of all the consequences there would be for just one signature. I just hope you can see from what I told you that not every American soldier is a terrible person. But you have every right to not agree with that. Most when it comes down to it, the soldiers are not the ones to blame. It's the politicians who would put the lives of the young men and women of the US military in danger so they can line their pockets. America has been overcome with greed and its sad. I didn't join to have Bush say he was proud of me. I joined to make my family proud. I know you don't think I have the right to be proud but in the end how much do we really have as human beings? Anyways now I'm just rambling on.
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>US soldiers voluntarily chose the profession of hired killers... Really?
In the eyes of the law yes. They are all guilty of a capital (hanging) offense, namely aiding and abetting an aggressive (first strike) war, not to mention torturing and killing civilians and using banned weapons. Even if you just peel potatoes, or hook up the gas in an extermination oven, you are still guilty.
People who build nuclear submarines are just an necessary as anyone else in mass extermination. That is why they too are considered guilty. Just because they kill without getting blood on their hands does not exculpate them. Hitler did not personally kill anyone, neither did Goebbels.
The humanitarian efforts are purely for the cameras. The expenditure is less than 1% of the budget.
I talked with Iraqi and Afghan nationals, something you most certainly have not done. You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Otherwise how you possibly imagine a people would enjoy being invaded. You probably imagine they would enjoy dining on your American shit too. You Americans are so preposterously conceited.
>Yes war is bad. Yes war kills people.
Then don't do it. America was not attacked. There are only the basest motives for the war, stealing oil, stealing lithium and a free pipeline right of way.
Twits like you might imagine they are "serving their country", but when the get the combat zone they soon learn America is the aggressor and neither Iraq or Afghanistan has or ever had any means to attack the USA. Yet they re-enlist. Why? Because they like raping, killing and torturing.
>But those men and women who serve my country are not "hired killers".
They kill and they are paid to kill. That makes them hired killers. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it.
Americans are in many ways more brutal than Nazis. History will treat them the way we treat such barbaric societies as the Romans and the Mongol hordes. You guys, and I mean your whole country, love endless war.
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>If Canadians can tell Americans what to do, why aren't Americans allowed to do the same back?
I don't recall anyone telling you to be quiet. I even provided this forum for you to do so. Look at the other posts. Most of them are from people I violently disagree with. I don't censor them.
>your photos of "American soldiers shooting surrendering Iraqi civilians" display those same Americans wearing uniforms from the Gulf War and Operation Desert Storm. Are you sure those pictures aren't from 1991?
No I am not sure. However the Gulf War never stopped. The sanction bombings between the Gulf War and Iraq war killed 1 to 2 million Iraqis. It is all one long war to gain control of Iraq's oil.
>Sir please say something about Obama too if you are going to put all this crap about the old-news boy king.
I suspect Obama is a fraud. He campaigned to end the Iraq war, then surged in Afghanistan and dragged Iraq on and on. I am not sure if he is doing this under Republican duress, or because he is a hawk.
What I am doing is like trying to talk Germans to denounce the Nazis in the middle of WW II. American have now lost soldiers, so now feel justified in any atrocity. The window has passed where Americans can be persuaded to give up the dark side. The basics have not changed namely these are both illegal first strike wars and Americans are committing atrocities. The wars cannot be justified on the grounds of self defence. They are being fought for oil and lithium.
Thank you for your responses, I am not trying to engage in a hateful argument but a real debate upon our beliefs and how we view the world.
I appreciate your thoughts, ideas and opinions.
To clarify, I am not an "American twit", I know that war is wrong, and I know our attacks upon Afghanistan and Iraq were pre-emptive strikes, they were as you called "invasions" yes indeed.
I know Americans have attacked innocent people (as have many other countries) and I am just saying it is justfied. I think it is wrong.
I know that some American soldiers wish to kill and enjoy killing, but I think this is wrong when they do that.
You act like I am blind to the bad things my country has done, but I am not blind. Many many people see what is going on here, many people are opening their eyes.
You can see what your country is doing wrong and still be patriotic.
That is what people don't understand, they think patriots are those who just go along with the government and agree with it.
I however consider patriots to be those who question and sometimes even go against what the majority thinks.
I believe patriots are those who are AGAINST the war, but still support those brave enough to be placed within combat.
I never voted to go to war. I never wanted us to goto war.
I know it is wrong.
I know all this, and I disagree with us going to war.
With that said, what about the rest of the people and the rest of the world?
The soldiers are just following orders, just as the Canadian heroes who serve your country as well.
They might be puppets in the larger scheme of things, but I guarantee at least 95% of those people who want to serve in the military (United States AND Canada alike, along with probably most other countries similar to ours - England, Australia, NZ...) do not wish to kill innocent civilians, they do not join up hoping to bomb families and schools, they do not join the military with the wishes and hopes to kill people, and that is their main desire. No, this is not true, they do not join up just to kill people. Yes maybe some do, but it is a small number -+5%, the vast majority of our armed forces wants to honestly serve their country.
Just like police, there are corrupt police, so would you say all police are evil killers?
Police shoot innocent people here all the time in the US, but they are classified as "accidents" but when a citizen shoots in defense it is "murder". It works both ways, we have a war in our OWN country that I wish we were fighting for, and not in another place like Iraq...
I am not an American twit, I know what is going on, and I do not support murder and senseless killing... but there is a difference between murdering and killing I'd like to think.
Either way I do not support the war, and agree with some of your ideas.
All I was trying to say is look at the rest of the world, your country along with many others have aided our country in waging war in the Middle East.
It is a bigger scheme, a bigger plot, that I say you cannot blame the foot soldiers at the end of the scheme.
You keep comparing them to Nazis, who do you blame more, the Nazi soldiers, or the high up dictator and his regime that gave the orders to them for what they were to do? Blame Hitler for his large hand in the Nazis, only problem is for America is we don't have a huge image of a dictator, the president, along with most government are all puppets. So who is the man behind the curtain, controlling things? It is bigger than you think my friend...
Where I said "I know Americans have attacked innocent people (as have many other countries) and I am just saying it is justified."
I meant NOT justified sorry about that, type :)
In your previous comments you are out right calling others names while if a person attacks you you delete their post now whos the twit
Your picture of a US soldier is very much inaccurate considering the only authorized individual weapons are an M16 M4 and M9. Your arguments are invalid and hold no truth but good choice of scare tactics a person ignorant to the military may believe you.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
I've fought in both wars and everything that Roedy said was wrong. He isn't a very smart person so I don't have much to say to him. He is a typical, "ride the wave and be part of the group" liberal. He just wants attention and shame on us for giving it to him. Roedy, keep up your hippy ways...someone has to help you keep your freedom! :)
>I've fought in both wars and everything that Roedy said was wrong.
That makes you a WAR CRIMINAL, not an expert of the politics of the war. What you are doing is like claiming you are much more of an expert on child molesting than I am because you participated in two pedophile rings. You are so badly twisted your opinion on longer counts. You are guilty of capital crimes. You don't even acknowledge basic fact. You are delusional. You don't want to be a criminal, so you pretend you are not. You are flipping nuts.
Out of all this, the one thing I don't understand is, why even have the war in the first place? Killikng eachother does not solve anything at all, it just makes both countries want more war. All these people die every day, and all the Americans can do is talk about how proud they are about their military and how many terrorists are now dead. Really? Why not try realising that terrorists are people too; they are terrorists BECAUSE of America, BECAUSE of American people. So why not try actually thinking about all the Iraqi/Afghani people that die, just because they are defending themselves. I also HATE it when Americans say that they are the ones defending themselves: how are you idiot's defending yourselves? You drive right iinto a small village with your f**king tanks and then you're suprised that the Iraqi/Afghani people attack you? They don't even understand that you might simply be 'ruturning fire', they see you as assholes which come to kill them on sight. That's all I have to say for now.
*I published this comment as Anonymus because I don't random people to know my name.
There are basically two groups of people who want wars:
1. people who enjoy killing, raping, torturing and bullying. They want to do this with little chance of legal reprisals or getting killed They want an enemy barely armed compared with them. Shooting fish in a barrel is an apt metaphor.
2. people who make money off war. These include arms dealers, mercenaries and politicians on the take from the "defence" industry.
These motives don't sell well with the general public, so the pro war folk lie, and pretend they are interested in self defence. Oddly the public buys this even when the USA attacks unarmed nations, illegally, aggressively, first strike, even when that nation has never harmed and has no means to harm the USA.
There is a third group of lesser importance, Israel. They want the USA to keep all Arab nations and the Palestinians under their thumb so they can perpetuate the apartheid system in Israel and continue to push the Palestinians off their land.
The USA did not support apartheid in South Africa, so why are they propping it up in Israel? Because AIPAC the pro-Israel lobby is so powerful.
This is in response to anonymous's post accidentally placed in tho 2010 section.
>Wesboro Baptist Church
You can read what I think of that lunatic Fred Phelps and the Wesboro baptist church at
http://mindprod.com/ggloss/fredphelps.html
>Were you even in the military?...
Of course not. Canada has not been attacked any time in my lifetime. Anyone who participated in the Afghan war is a war criminal guilty of a capital crime. I don't have to commit a capital crime to understand why it is wrong.
>But I feel sorry for you...I want to know what happen to you in your life to hate a country that isn't even your dam country!....
I presume you have no trouble understanding why people think poorly of Nazi Germany. Your country in many ways is behaving worse. The Nazis did not routinely torture POWs. The Nazis did not use chemical weapons.
>And honestly how dare you post pictures of Americians in uniform and say crap about them!...
But they are CONFESSED war criminals. They openly admitted to commiting a capital crime. Why should they be treated with respect? They are morally equivalent to those waiting on death row.
see http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarcriminals.html for details.
>If there was a way I could meet you in person and treat you like nazis treated jews I would...and be GLAD to be commiting a war crime asshole...
I did not harm you or your country in away way. I just asked your country to stop behaving like Nazis.
>I love my country and stand by my mean and women in uniform...doesn't mean I stand by my goverment but my people...something you don't understand!
The Nazis loved their country too, but it does not make what they did acceptable.
I'm that same girl....
You harming me by saying crap about my men and women in my country....here that MY men and women...they work not for our goverment but for the people just like out goverment works for out people....you wouldn't know what its like to defend people because you have never worn a uniform!
I see you didn't bother to post the fact they have nightmares because of what they did to defend themselves!...DEFEND...not murder
Have we as a country done things wrong? Yes of course we have...EVERY COUNTRY HAS!...even yours!....Germany everyone!...nothing nor no one is pefect!
In the military you follow your dam orders rather you believe in them or not...you don't follow orders someone gets killed!...that's how it goes!...
Don't blame our military for what happens! Blame our goverment but not our people! That was Bush and our Vice at the time that approved it...NOT the military they just follow orders! NOT our people because most of us don't know what's going on and its a sticking siturtion!....
>You harming me by saying crap about my men and women.
If a thug were beating up a old woman trying to steal her purse and I said "Cut that out. You could go to prison for that." I am not hurting the thug. I am looking out for his best interest. If I am not hurting even him, surely I am not hurting you.
Are you denying that a first strike attack is a capital war crime? Are you denying that the USA attacked both Afghanistan and Iraq first. Are you denying the PBS Frontline documentary that showed the USA routinely torturing all prisoners with water deprivation and extreme heat? Are you denying the photos of the Abu Ghraib torture. Are you denying Dick Cheney's confession of waterboarding torture?
>you wouldn't know what its like to defend people because you have never worn a uniform!
There is no defence of America going on. The USA attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, not the reverse. The US wants their natural resources. Don't you recall the opening day of the war when CNN broadcast the USA bombing the apartment buildings in Baghdad? In all these years of war neither Afghanistan nor Iraq has made even a single attack on the US. The US in turn has killed millions of Afghans and Iraqis. Defence my ass! Are you abysmally ignorant, a stupid FOX News dittohead or a liar? Maybe you are too young to remember the start of the wars.
>I see you didn't bother to post the fact they have nightmares because of what they did to defend themselves!...DEFEND...not murder
When you invade someone else's country and they try to oust you, you are the aggressor. You are not defending yourself. If a burglar invades your home you have every right to shoot him. If he shoots you, he can't claim self defence.
>Have we as a country done things wrong?
If someone killed your mother or your son would you excuse them on the grounds that nobody's perfect? Don't be idiotic.
>In the military you follow your dam orders rather you believe in them or not...you don't follow orders someone gets killed!.
"I vas chust followin ze orders". You would make a good Nazi. That's how they excused their atrocities.
>Don't blame our military for what happens! Blame our goverment but not our people!
There is no draft. Everyone who participates in the occupation of Afghanistan or Iraq commits a capital war crime willingly with open eyes. We expected German citizens to oppose Hitler. I expect you to demonstrate against war crimes your country is committing. In the Vietnam era, people did. Today they don't. Americans want cheap oil, even it means killing other people's kids. You live in a degenerate nation similar to imperial Rome.
For those who keep telling Roedy how would he know about what goes on in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, need to take a second and open their eyes. Everything he said was true. Want proof? GO to Iraq and Afghanistan and see for yourself. To make one point clear, yes there are soldiers who are truly good people but as long as they took a part no matter how small in wars like these they are considered guilty too. Its like seeing a murder happen and not doing anything about it, yes you may have not done the murder yourself but you watched it happen and did nothing and to me that's even worse than the actual person who does the killing. And that's how I view the soldiers in Iraq, some were evil and abused their privileges yet some may have not done the actual killing but they kept silent and held to the idea that "its my duty to stand by my country right or wrong." I believe some people can't except the idea that their father, mother , brother, etc took place in an illegal and immoral war and are in denial to what may be the truth about them. Americans or anyone CAN'T have this view. As Malcolm X would say:Wrong is wrong no matter WHO does it or WHO says it. I am not Anti-American but I'm Anti-evil and I could give a damn if that evil came from a person in my own family.
I am not going to put this all on America, let me say the whole world,: The problem with the whole world is they all have a sense of patriotism, meaning as long as my country gets what it wants and its safe, screw the rest of the world. THAT IS WRONG. I care just as much about anyone no matter what race or religion. Why does America get the most blame even though many other countries are guilty of this too? Because America is the most powerful and has been for years now and instead of using their power to unite the world together and help others in need they use it to seize other lands to make them EVEN more powerful. Greed is perpetual enslavement. You will always want more. Don’t be ignorant and naïve by saying our soldiers defend themselves and went to protect our freedom. America is already powerful and free so what the HELL were they defending themselves from? Iraq is a dot compared to size in America and to tell me they are a threat, you must be naïve. Roedy made a good point saying Americans never ask themselves why do terrorists hate America so much, what leads them to wanting to blow themselves up just to kill them? I will tell you. America since the beginning when Columbus found it held the idea of “Manifest Destiny” meaning they have a commission from god to police the world. Well NO country has that right so stay out of others business! You can’t just enter a country just because on your mere suspicion he wants to attack you. I believe if any country was in the same place as America they would be just as selfish, so I won’t put this only on America. The world needs to learn that love for each other doesn’t end at the border, yes it is true if that the Iraq and Afghanistan war has helped America vastly is improving its economic status, they got free oil and other materials. BUT can we live with ourselves knowing that to get our wants we had to sacrifice others to get it. I am disgusted at how we Americans celebrate Columbus day. SO WHAT IF HE FOUND AND GAVE US AMERICA! He killed and tortured millions of Indians to get it and that’s proof right there that America truly believes that if it gets us our wants then the others are mere “sacrifices” and they have the integrity to tell me that we had no choice, we need to do this for our people by any means necessary. Bull****. I would rather have my country be poor than to know I had oppress or even kill others to get it. Columbus is a criminal and if you say he did it for our country than you are defying yourself when you say I can do wrong as long as it benefits me. In other words it’s called SELFISH. If that’s true that means all those thieves out there must have been wrongly accused because they stole to benefit themselves and I guess that’s right since we make it right for Columbus. And America stole this land and inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Israel stole land and inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Ever damn ruler in times stole or inflicted harm to benefit themselves. Its not just America who did this but many other countries are guilty of this. And again nor every American or any race who’s imprudent government and military did this is guilty. Part 1
Part 2 :: My simple message to you:: We need to learn to love everyone and treat them equally. LOVE FOR OTHERS WHAT YOU LOVE FOR YOURSLEF. WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT DONE TO YOURSELF, DO NOT DO TO OTHERS. “The world cannot continue to wage war like physical giants and to seek peace like intellectual pygmies” I took this verse from a song and I think if WE the world did this, we would have a better place “If everyone cared and nobody cried, If everyone loved and nobody lied, If everyone shared and swallowed their pride, Then we’d see the day when nobody died.” In the song they says IF EVERYONE CARED, not If AMERICA CARED. And the day we start doing all this, no one would die; there will be no more wars. Roedy you inspire me that no matter who you are, you deserve the same rights as everyone else. I think it’s amazing how you would go against your own nation even though to others that’s considered being a traitor, and stand up for the truth no matter WHO it came from. If you can live with yourself that as long as it benefits my country, then others, aren’t important than by all means go ahead. We all want to do good for our country but just remember the others’ lives you made miserable to get your wants are held on your conscious. The world would be a better place if there are more people like Roedy who stand up for everyone and not just their “country”. Earth exists with NO visible borders on ANY land meaning the world exists as one. Which means we should stand together as one. This is why I have no respect for Patriots of Iraq or any patriot of any country ; they did it for America’s needs and not Iraq’s. Iraq is scarred for life because of this. There is no sense of “everyone” with patriots, only a sense of “my country.” And if we keep holding this belief there will never be world peace.
Where would our country be if we didn't have a military? We NEED the military to defend our country. Yeah it would be nice if we had world peace and if countries could get along with each other, but unfortunately, that's not the case. I'd much rather stand up for our country and defend ourselves, than to have a bunch of idiots come and go as they please with nobody to defend us. So for you to say these ignorant comments acting like you know what it's like to be in the military, or to be MARRIED to someone in the military, you are mistaken. My fiance happens to be a Marine, and I'll be damned if anyone talks like you do about him or anyone who is defending our country. I am damn proud to call myself an American. You may have facts about PTSD and things like that. That is a horrible sacrifice to have to make to defend our country. Not to mention all of our men and women who make the ultimate sacrifice and give their life. For what? Because they VOLUNTEERED to serve our country. Yes volunteered. They're proud American's and know that someone needs to protect our country. Do not lump all men in the service into the same category by saying some of your other ignorant comments. Get your head out of your ass and stop judging on things you don't know the first thing about.
Ok.... FIRST of all.... I spent 5 years of my life as a military wife, and endured 2 long deployments with my husband in both afghanistan and iraq.Do YOU know what US forces are and have been doing over there lately??? TRAINING THEIR MILITARY!!! GIVING THEM SUPPLIES!!!! BASICALLY BABYSITTING THEM!!! My husband has spent 3 years overseas and has NEVER killed anyone. He is a medic. He has actually SAVED quite a few towelheads who where attacked by their OWN PEOPLE. Until youve experienced it.... you have NO right to say anything about our military. My kids and I are proud of our military hero.
I just read your thoughts on why people should not marry a soldier. I am a soldiers wife and every single one of your reasons has angered me to the core. You obviously have no clue what this war is about and i am ashamed that your an american. Let me remind you your freedom of speech was given to you because a soldier laid down their life so that you didn't have to live in a country in silence or to be killed because you speak out with stupidity. Yes do some soldiers go rogue yes but very few and do they have ptsd yes some of them do because they watch their brothers and sisters and best friends get blown up by terrorists. They see how children and families in iraq and afganistan have been blown up or tortured by terrorists and still are. My suggestion to you is if you can't stand behind our men and women then please feel free to take their place and stand in front.
Just did some more research on you so glad your not an American. YOu have no right to say anything about our soldiers or any for that matter and you obviously have no idea what our men and women are doing over there. Get your facts straight before you start writing disgusting things based off no facts and keep your head up your canadian ass.
BLESS YOUR HEART YOU NEED JESUS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS EARTH YOUR GUNNA NEED ALL THE HELP YOU CAN GET.
SIGNED,
A VERY PROUD MARINE CORPS WIFE, A FORMER SOLDIER IN THE U.S. ARMY, THE DAUGHTER OF A MARINE AND A U.S. ARMY SOLDIER, AND THE GRAND-DAUGHTER OF A U.S. AIR FORCE SOLDIER... I LOVE MY COUNTRY..
I can see that your mind is already set on what is right and wrong. I served overseas twice. I am a female and a medic. I seen many casualties in the year that I spent in Iraq. Occasionally they were US Soldiers, but more often they were locals injured by their own people. Many of the people I treated were children injured by their own families. I treated Iraqi soldiers who were severely injured from IEDs set up by their own people. My unit did not kill a single Iraqi citizen.
Another point that I must make is that soldiers are fully capable of standing up to the command if they are faced with an immoral choice. If a soldier is commanded to take an action that is immoral, then he/she should contact someone higher in command to stop the action. I have stood up to my command, and I was not reprimanded.
I married a soldier that I deployed with. He is the kindest man I know. It is not an act. He has never harmed me in any way. I am very passive and I have a worse temper than him.
Soldiers are not the only people who suffer from PTSD. Anyone who has witnessed a traumatic event can be classified as suffering from PTSD. A woman who was raped can suffer from PTSD. Flashbacks, nightmares, and increased anxiety are signs of PTSD. Rape victims often suffer from all of these symptoms.
"I talked with Iraqi and Afghan nationals, something you most certainly have not done. You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it."
I thought the ground rules were not to attack anyone? Those don't apply to you? Apparently hypocrisy doesn't belong to the Americans.
"You are a patriotic twit who have swallowed the US propaganda whole. Don't be such a wimp. Just because you are ashamed of what you are doing does not mean you can get away with pretending you are not doing it."
I thought the ground rules were no personal attacks? That we were to keep it on politics? Apparently, hypocrisy doesn't belong to the Americans.
I am so glad the military is defending your right to speech. If you disagree with how this country works, move to a different one.
You are one sick and twisted asshole to post anything like this on the internet when our own people are dieing over there! If you think you can do the job better by all means PLEASE step in front of my husband on the front line so my husband comes home to me and my kids. You should be ashamed of your self they didnt start this war the president did so if you wanna be pissed at anyone for starting it be mad at him! These men and women are doing there jobs, you know the job that all of you assholes complain about cause you would never have the balls to do such a heroic job to keep your family and fellow Americans safe. You say my husband is not a good man because he has seen tramatic situations what about me and other women that have been rapped or abused in there life by others do you not think we have issues because of situations in life but guess what we suck it up and deal with it just like most americans! Americans that kill themselves can be your normal office worker that was depressed about a girlfriend or had a drug problem. Dont dare to put soldiers in that catagory we all have issues we all deal with in differently. Do yourself a favor and get some mental help cause you need it more then anyone else. Why dont you go over to Iraq maybe we will all get lucky and you will drive over an IED! I hope God forgives your gonna need it!
have they put you in an institution yet?
I'm not surprised that someone like you mentioned Israel. I guess they seem to be a favorite target of the extreme left like yourself. I wonder if you still feel like that now that the Arabs are looking for freedom from repressive regimes. These countries include Libya and Syria. Countries that the US and Israel don't support. You talk about apartheid? What about the apartheid in the arab countries? Where is the homeland for the Kurds? What about the Druze refugees from Lebanon. Come on Roedy, why just pick on Israel?
I have been in the military for 21 years happily fighting for the freedoms we all have today and following in the footsteps of the many brave men and women before me. What have your sorry ass, draft dodging, no military knowledge SOB's done for this country besides being a waste of the oxygen that we breath. My comment will probably be removed from this page because you mindless individuals can't handle someone standing up to you and telling you that your views are totally incorrect and crap. I totally understand opinions and freedom of speech, but get a life or better yet join the military yourselves and see what REALLY goes on instead of believing your ignorant assumptions. Some of you people are probably the percentage of individuals that tried to join the military and are disgruntled you couldn't join because your are too stupid, uneducated, fat, or have a criminal background that you couldn't be trusted to clean anything but a toilet anyway, hell you would probably mess that up. As a past writer mentioned, if you don't like what is going on in this country and have a problem defending from the enemies, pack your bags and get the hell out because your tax dollars are funding the wars and Soldier's benefits.
Bottom line up front, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!
wow. so horribly true. I hope you have room for the additional truth that it's actually not necessarily sick for a human to feel like killing. It's probably closer to normal since so many participate. I've explored my own anger (in my mind, not for real) and my desire to kill. I want to be a kinder person tho, so it doesn't fit my value system. I'm saying I think you have it correct up until you act as tho ethics are a given. I think they're made up. Possibly inspired but the trend says we're evolving so..... I found this site cause I was wondering how to puncture the myth of soldier as hero and googled for ideas. You know, I'd like to be a hero. I suspect it's difficult. Certainly far more difficult than allowing someone else to use me at will for their material gain.
I am just in the process of doing some research on Lowell Green's rant on why Canada should come to the aid of Israel should Iran get a
nuke and threaten to use it on Israel. Of course he doesn't mention the fact that Jewish extremists are mistreating Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza strip and have been for almost 50 years. Nor does he mention that Israel has one of the largest deliverable nuclear nuclear arsenals on the planet.
Misuse of the Seal for the Department of State's seal has been reported.
Your ill-informed comments and descriptions of our military personnel aside, you only serve the enemies of this Nation.
No threat is ascribed or implied but you will be remembered for your statements.
sir,
I understand that you disagree with much of what is going on in the world. I whole heartedly agree that our world has become perverse and torn and some sort of change needs to happen. I preemptively apologize for any offense you take in anything that I say. Allow me to start by telling you my background as I believe it to be imperative to your understanding of my opinion. I grew up in a catholic family, I went to bible study all the way through high school as a choice of my own. I volunteered at soup kitchens and shelters not because anyone preached to me that it was a good thing to do but because I believe in helping people who have the ambition but lack the means to help themselves. I attended a private university where I studied International Business and Finance and continued to volunteer where I could. I joined and later became president of the Model United Nations Club because I am an advocate in solving problems through negotiation over force. It honestly pains me to see people feel that they have no other choice but to pick up a weapon and kill another human being. Life, which is so hard to create yet so easy to take away, should never be taken for granted. Sir, I have spoken with many people from both Afghanistan and Iraq who were repressed by tyrants and fanatics who hid behind the name of religion. I will not say that all of them were happy with the WORLD's invasion (in case you were not aware America was not the only country present in both of these theaters) of their country but they welcomed change and the opportunity at freedom. I believe this to be helping people who cannot help themselves. I will not be arrogant and say that your view of the world is misguided or wrong as I do not know the factors behind your reasoning. I will say this, if you ever get the opportunity to see what happens under tyrannical governments and how people are affected, you would not be so willingly dismissing the invasion of these countries. I one day hope that instead of chastising people for their differences that we learn to accept and embrace them and understand the value in what life has given us. While war is a horrible and devastating option for liberation for all who are involved in it, it does sometimes effect great and needed change. I do not wish nor ask nor embrace war but I understand that it will happen because it is our nature as evolving humans to disregard and crucify that which we don't understand. I have faith that human's as a race are progressing in the right direction and will someday find another way.....
. I know without a doubt in my mind that many "soldiers" are good people with the best of intentions and would save anyone if given the choice. I understand your pessimistic attitude towards soldiers for it is their unfortunate job to sometimes use force to accomplish their mission and they are trained well to discern between the right and wrong time. I know of many instances where soldiers die because they hesitated to fire for the simple reason that they did not want to harm civilians. In the military they try their best to teach these fine young men and women to value life before dealing death. No matter what profession you are in, there will be bad people, it is as unavoidable as it is unfortunate but that is simply no reason to categorize the whole on the few. I do not ask you to change your opinion sir for while I do not agree with you I respect your opinion and understand that everyone has that right. I have read your responses and they are both condescending and offensive and if you truly have the noble and benevolent intentions in which you claim, you would respect people and life equally. It seems more and more that your heart is filled with malcontent for life. I hope you find your peace in life and pray that you will one day come to realize that soldiers are not evil and do not enjoy killing as you claim. They are the best of us for doing what was asked of them and they carry a burden of which I would never wish on anyone. If you understand psychology then you would see that that psychotic killers do not have trouble coping with what they have done, rather, they embrace it and welcome the next opportunity. PTSD is a result of the soldier’s inability to cope with things that he or she has had to do. The women who love these men are equally brave for they understand that some of these men have had to endure and must cope with travesties of which they would never feel proud of committing. Do not mistake this for shame in who they are or what they stand for. You have misconstrued the regret of killing for the regret of why they killed. A soldier when he pulls that trigger does so in the belief that he will be saving someone with his action. I implore you to talk to these men and women who fight for freedom and defense of the innocent. I believe you will find a different character of man than you portray. Good luck to you sir and may God have mercy on you.
Humbly,
a US Marine
All this fucking Americans can talk nicely about "defending freedom" and how brave are men in the military and wives of military men, and how "the soldiers give you the freedom you have"
And all that indoctrination b.s. they have ingested since they were kids, but the truth is that U.S. raped Iraq and Afghanistan.
GET OUT OF IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. STOP YOUR CRIMINAL WAR YOU ASS HOLES!!!!!
STOP INVOKING GOD YOU BIGOTS!
LET OTHER COUNTRIES ENJOY THEIR OWN RESOURCES AND STOP BUYING GOVERNMENTS
You will pay the price for your interventions... Do not believe me? Look at your own nation... is invaded by foreigners, thanks to your own policies.
You keep calling us war criminals..... Like your queer little blog is going to stop America?! You have the freedom of speech and I respect that fact that you use it to the fullest extent but honestly there is not a damn thing you can do about it. You spoke of WWII where Canada join on its own free will. You speak of America like we are the only military over there.... I fought along side many Canadians during both my tours in iraq. And they are just as battle fueled as any American I've seen. You talk about killing Iraqi kids. I have never done this but i have seen it. The child was also pointing a pistol at us. I've been to afghanistan as well. You wouldn't believe how many people there told me thank you for being there. Having said this, when I see what you have wrote on your little blog in your moms basement, I smile. You want us American soldiers to face the law? We are the law. And you don't have the balls to do anything but blog.
This is about the middle east wars, not your sexual fantasies. Please stay on topic.
But you are a war criminal. It is not my opinion, It is international law which you appear to know nothing about. Why do you think Cheney and Bush are afraid to go to Switzerland?
Why are you so proud of committing the same crimes as the Nazi? That is a mental illness.
I'm proud because I have served my country I understand you don't feel the same way but that's your choice I have every right to be in the military and you have every right to disagree. However, you do NOT have the right to say someone has a mental illness you are not a doctor nor have any medical experience. A few killed civilians is a part of war. The nazis tried to eliminate an entire race if you went over there and asked the people of Iraq and afghanistan you would hear more tell you that they are happy we are over there. As for the "innocent" people we are killing, they are shooting at us and trying to kill us. Don't tell me they aren't because you have no clue what its like over there. Soldiers are defending their lives. Remember we didn't start the war we were told to do our job and we did. And how do you feel about Canadian soldiers in the middle east? Are they war criminals as well? Because it seems to me that you are only insulting the American troops.
You did not serve your country any more that Nazis served Germany, so you have no grounds for your pride. Nobody attacked the USA. You did not defend the USA. You have some cheek to equate your war crimes and sex-thrill killing with what those who defended the USA did in WW II.
Further you harmed the USA. Prior to those wars billions of people admired the USA. Now they pray for its destruction.
You are like a bank robber shooting up the bank and claiming self defence. You had absolutely no business in Afghanistan. You went there so you could slake your sadism.
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME TO WAGE AGGRESSIVE WAR (namely a war where you invade first.). This is not my opinion. This is international law. Go read. Why do you think Bush and Cheney are so afraid to go to Europe? Even the USA is signatory to a treaty defining this war crime and agrees to arrest war crime suspects. Typically, the USA ignores its treaty obligations. It even declared the Geneva conventions "quaint". It is astounding you could feel pround to belong to such a degenerate nation that behaved in war even worse than the Nazis.
EVERYONE in the US military who aided or abetted the Afghan or Iraq war has committed a CAPITAL crime. They should be shot, hanged or at least put in solitary for life. It would be crazy to express respect for such hardened criminals. I spit on them, just as I spit on other child rapists and child killers.
Canadian soldiers who participated Afghanistan too are war criminals. They too deserve the death penalty. I got dozen of death threats when I simply pointed out the law.
You did not serve your country any more that Nazis served Germany, so you have no grounds for your pride. Nobody attacked the USA. You did not defend the USA. You have some cheek to equate your war crimes and sex-thrill killing with what those who defended the USA did in WW II.
Further you harmed the USA. Prior to those wars billions of people admired the USA. Now they pray for its destruction.
You are like a bank robber shooting up the bank and claiming self defence. You had absolutely no business in Afghanistan. You went there so you could slake your sadism.
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME TO WAGE AGGRESSIVE WAR (namely a war where you invade first.). This is not my opinion. This is international law. Go read. Why do you think Bush and Cheney are so afraid to go to Europe? Even the USA is signatory to a treaty defining this war crime and agrees to arrest war crime suspects. Typically, the USA ignores its treaty obligations. It even declared the Geneva conventions "quaint". It is astounding you could feel pround to belong to such a degenerate nation that behaved in war even worse than the Nazis.
EVERYONE in the US military who aided or abetted the Afghan or Iraq war has committed a CAPITAL crime. They should be shot, hanged or at least put in solitary for life. It would be crazy to express respect for such hardened criminals. I spit on them, just as I spit on other child rapists and child killers.
Canadian soldiers who participated Afghanistan too are war criminals. They too deserve the death penalty. I got dozen of death threats when I simply pointed out the law.
I agree with you that Afghanistan did not attack the US. That's why we are not at war with them. We are at war with the taliban who DID attack the US. I've heard all the conspiracy theories and don't believe any of them due to the fact that Bin Laden took responsibility for the attacks and how the taliban fights. And thank you for clearing up the Canadian soldier question. I do appreciate that you are not a hypocrite and like I said before you are entitled to your own opinion, same as me. I personally do not like war. I don't like killing people even after they attempted to kill me in most cases. I thought many times about how I kit killed a father, son, and brother and it bothered me very much. When I signed up believe it or not I didn't think of all the consequences there would be for just one signature. I just hope you can see from what I told you that not every American soldier is a terrible person. But you have every right to not agree with that. Most when it comes down to it, the soldiers are not the ones to blame. It's the politicians who would put the lives of the young men and women of the US military in danger so they can line their pockets. America has been overcome with greed and its sad. I didn't join to have Bush say he was proud of me. I joined to make my family proud. I know you don't think I have the right to be proud but in the end how much do we really have as human beings? Anyways now I'm just rambling on.
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